Session Start: Sat Mar 12 23:48:45 2005 Session Ident: #absforums 23:48:45 * Now talking in #absforums 23:48:50 <@AB> so around 1pm the forums stopped working 23:49:09 <@AB> I couldn't even log in 23:49:19 <@AB> it would time out as if there was a network break 23:49:27 <@AB> but the server was killed 23:49:31 <@AB> the files were all deleted 23:49:44 <@AB> here's the message I got from the second tech guy 23:49:46 <@AB> Steven, 23:49:46 <@AB> Due to some erros on the screen prompted furthur investigation.. 23:49:46 <@AB> Both kernels will boot, but data is missing that the machine requires to fully get into init 3 (/etc and /usr). The drive does not seem to be dying, so I'm going to go with either someone with root access or the machine was hacked (pretty easy due to the old kernels). 23:49:46 <@AB> I think the only data that can be recovered would be the data on /home. 23:49:46 <@AB> Do you have backups? 23:49:46 <@AB> Either way, the machine will be required to have a reinstall -- as there's no way we can fix the machine to get it to boot. 23:49:47 <@AB> Please note we can't investigate how this was done due to the deletion of files. 23:50:04 <@AB> oh, around 1pm EST for anyone overseas 23:50:16 <@AB> it's 1am EST now, so 12 hours ago the forums died 23:50:41 <@AB> I couldn't get that answer from my host company until 6 pm 23:50:49 <@AB> so for 5 hours I had no idea what was going on 23:51:32 <@AB> the company took out the hard drive and put in a new one. They reinstalled everything a couple hours ago 23:52:03 <@AB> now I will unmute the channel for questions 23:52:11 * AB sets mode: -m 23:52:16 k 23:52:22 thank u 23:52:25 So, do you have any other information? 23:52:28 much better 23:52:30 I feel you man. 23:52:32 SOrry 23:52:32 are PHP and mysql running yet? 23:52:35 What do you plan on doing AB? 23:52:41 <@AB> yes, php and SQL are running 23:52:42 I have to go 23:52:44 okay 23:52:49 ummmm, how do i go back? 23:52:55 i think i have the most important question tho.. :/ 23:52:57 * Parts: Moses (~IDIDURMOM@lcirc-9D0D6365.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 23:52:58 do you plan on using invision, or another forums software? 23:53:03 <@AB> but I have not installed anything besides the OS and apache with php and SQL 23:53:08 ok 23:53:12 <@AB> well, that' what this meeting is for 23:53:16 oh 23:53:20 <@AB> I have a 3 month old backup of the forums 23:53:28 my vote is for invision 23:53:30 <@AB> or we can start new 23:53:35 lets do new 23:53:46 in reservior dogs...at the end when everyone shoots eachother....who shoots nice guy eddie? because joe was pointing at mr white and mr white was pointing at joe. no one was pointing at nice guy eddie...yet he falls down a bloody mess... 23:53:47 get a fresh crowd with a new rule set 23:53:48 well to be honest I would enjoy a fresh start 23:53:50 * Parts: CJ (ABS_Guest@lcirc-EB7E1CDA.dial.net.nyu.edu) 23:53:54 the forums would definitely be faster 23:53:56 invision and the old database or something else 23:53:58 I vote for starting over new. 23:54:00 <@AB> I know a lot of people are worried about modship, reregistering, postcount, old posts 23:54:00 i'd go with something else 23:54:12 AB: Just keep registration turned off at first 23:54:12 It 23:54:14 ab...honestly. they're going to have to deal with that 23:54:17 because its not going to change 23:54:18 then pre-create the accounts of mods 23:54:23 so nobody else can 23:54:24 Let's start anew. 23:54:29 I say new mods, new accounts 23:54:36 wrong. 23:54:36 i want my before-AB join date ;( 23:54:38 why have new mods? 23:54:47 * Joins: Chaschmaliph (~Colter_MC@lcirc-3D8AD6A2.asm.bellsouth.net) 23:54:51 fresh start my friend 23:54:51 DrShmoo are you even on the forums? 23:54:53 Obviously it was the current moderation's fault that things went wrong. 23:54:54 <@AB> now I heard inivion is bad for big forums 23:54:55 yes 23:54:57 <@AB> and make things slow 23:55:00 <@AB> is this true? 23:55:02 ive been a member since september 03 23:55:07 Oh yes. 23:55:17 i like phpbb, myself 23:55:18 at least it'll be faster. 20,000 memebers and probably half of the accounts were being used 23:55:20 AB, I've seen forums using invision that have 1500 concurrent users and don't crash at all 23:55:27 * Joins: Musophobic (Musophobic@AEBC3E1C.F11FF778.EE07367B.IP) 23:55:27 this is the chance to be awesome 23:55:28 <@AB> hmmm 23:55:32 I've heard people say phpBB is a better choice. 23:55:32 I think it has more to do with either the server or mysql 23:55:38 <@AB> I may have to reskin the forum 23:55:42 phpBB has worms and vulnerabilities all the time 23:55:49 that should be at the bottom of the list AB 23:55:54 when was the last one 23:56:03 probably like a week ago or so 23:56:08 AB, do you know how this happened? 23:56:15 <@AB> I need the patches for IPB 2.0 23:56:16 is phpBB good for large forums? 23:56:24 I personally hate phpBB :P 23:56:24 <@AB> I dunno how 23:56:26 We wont be large at first 23:56:27 Reminds me, what does HardOCP use? 23:56:30 <@AB> was checking y PMs at the time 23:56:31 just how it works generally 23:56:35 They handle high level pretty well. 23:56:39 Invison made bodybuilding.com's server shit the bed a few times, but they had a very complicated skin. 23:56:54 <@AB> the skin doesn't slow it down 23:57:00 Shouldn't. 23:57:02 the concurrent users slow it down 23:57:04 <@AB> the amount of SQL queries slow it down 23:57:04 what does myg0t use? 23:57:05 that is an issue 23:57:07 i wonder who the last person to post on absforums was 23:57:21 DrShmoo: vbulletin 23:57:22 probably sp00t, hehe 23:57:24 Probably some guy with 4 posts. 23:57:27 vbulletin costs big bucks 23:57:36 charge for accounts 23:57:37 o 23:57:40 haha 23:57:40 thats not cool 23:57:42 Le crap. 23:57:47 Ok. 23:57:51 if everyone is so devistated about it, they'll pay 23:57:54 doesn't go-gaia use phpbb? 23:58:00 or they'll have no one to blame for it but themselves 23:58:03 <@AB> will you guys donate? 23:58:08 I would. 23:58:09 i would 23:58:09 The last time I checked, yes, they did. 23:58:11 I love you guys. 23:58:13 well here are my suggestions AB: limit sigs to text at first to prevent stupid page take up. 23:58:15 TastyBabySoup, most of the users are under 18/16/13/whatever and don't have credit cards or paypal 23:58:17 or something based off it? 23:58:17 <@AB> this curret company is shit 23:58:19 id donate, but i have no paypal 23:58:20 :( 23:58:24 if gaia-online can use phpbb, so can absforums 23:58:29 <@AB> what I would like to do, would be to get a way better serer for the forum 23:58:32 I'd get my parents to donate. 23:58:33 <@AB> I found a good deal today 23:58:41 with a better host, I hope 23:58:51 Or i'd donate my birthday money instead of saving up for a new video card. 23:58:51 Standard prerequisite. 23:58:54 <@AB> dual xeon servers 23:58:57 rmuser: it would be the same as your parents ordering a tshirt or something for you. 23:58:58 wow 23:59:08 * Joins: ThrowThisAway (ThrowThisA@lcirc-85045F9B.client.comcast.net) 23:59:09 if he wants a good server, he'll need money 23:59:12 yep 23:59:14 and hes a college student 23:59:18 That was understood. 23:59:22 * GaSPeR is now known as Odin 23:59:23 so its not like he has excess amounts 23:59:31 If you're dead set, sure, I'll see if I can scrounge up a few bucks. 23:59:34 AB, I will donate the profits of my upcoming bumper sticker monopoly :P 23:59:36 Oh thanks for the info TastyBabySoup 23:59:37 * Joins: Kaws (~drkozmo@lcirc-E2CEE2EE.hon2-4.31.98.127.hon2.dsl-verizon.net) 23:59:37 hmm vBulletin costs $160 for a permanent license, that's not bad. If you want to switch to that, I'll pay for it. 23:59:55 <@AB> vBulletin's not really so great 23:59:55 welcome to the chat throwthisaway 23:59:55 http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/ is phpbb and they only have about 18000 concurrent users 23:59:59 yeah but does membership to the forums cost money for each individual member? Session Time: Sun Mar 13 00:00:00 2005 00:00:07 18000? good lord! 00:00:09 Their servers are professional level. 00:00:09 What? 00:00:15 no. shouldnt do that 00:00:15 I don't care what you do, as long as I am still a murderator 00:00:22 people who want to donate can donate 00:00:32 It's excellent, top-notch software running there, along with the MySQL, but the servers are the deal. 00:00:34 sell some forum features 00:00:38 No DrShmoo, the software license costs money, but members don't have to pay to join. 00:00:38 people who dont can be responsible for if it ever happens again 00:00:39 we can safely assume the rules/mods/sections can be the same as before, I think 00:00:40 Though the Xeons should work well. 00:00:50 wait 00:00:54 <@AB> I haven't used phpbb 00:00:55 be like SA and let people change other people's custom titles for a few bucks 00:01:01 sell some forum features 00:01:02 Today is 3-13-05. 00:01:02 <@AB> I would need help setting it up 00:01:04 thats the ticket 00:01:05 <@AB> is it free? 00:01:07 yes 00:01:09 www.phpbb.com 00:01:10 i think we should have a secret board at first. something uber crappy 00:01:14 invision free 00:01:18 ... 00:01:22 invisionfree is a joke dude 00:01:23 What. 00:01:24 I must make a new sig. 00:01:24 rmuser: But I have to have more power than you 00:01:28 I forgot that part 00:01:30 even my dumb ass can set it up 00:01:31 I REALIZE THAT rmuser 00:01:31 Kaws: ;) 00:01:32 3-12-05 NEVER FORGET 00:01:45 http://www.penpen.se/tagmonkey/forum/ Is a graphic design forum I frequent. They use punbb, and I like it. I'm not sure how the admin control panel is, though. 00:01:47 that will get old so fast 00:02:06 Get old? 00:02:06 i can screen the admin cp if you are interested 00:02:07 <@AB> lol 00:02:12 It's already old. 00:02:12 <@AB> graphic design? scroll down 00:02:14 :P 00:02:15 What the hell? I've never even heard of Gaia, but their forum has 1.6 million members. 00:02:16 <@AB> it's an anime roleplaying something or other community 00:02:41 as a heterosexual normal male you would have no reason to have heard of it 00:02:44 <@AB> who here has installed phpbb before? 00:02:51 <- 00:03:02 http://destroyman.com/forums/ 00:03:03 <@AB> didn' you hack ABSForums before? 00:03:13 I feel so worthless. I have absolutely no knowledge of coding or scripting 00:03:15 Yes, he did. 00:03:16 i yoinked melindhra's password 00:03:20 Big hack there. 00:03:20 <@AB> destroyman is 404 00:03:25 AB can i suggest a simplistic layout such as www.gamefaqs.com ? 00:03:33 it's /forum 00:03:35 not /forums 00:03:50 My bad, holmes. 00:03:55 :sup: 00:04:02 * Joins: Musophobic (Musophobic@AEBC3E1C.F11FF778.EE07367B.IP) 00:04:10 <@AB> gamefaqs looks like a mess 00:04:15 word 00:04:17 <@AB> I'm all up for trying phpbb 00:04:25 <@AB> I would need help 00:04:30 what was wrong with ipb? 00:04:32 I think that site layout is the last thing on the list here 00:04:40 gamefaqs isnt a mess. it is really well organized 00:04:41 <@AB> apparently it's slow 00:04:42 Odin: the skin is the most important thing. 00:04:49 It is? 00:04:51 Why? 00:04:52 Yes. 00:04:54 :\ 00:04:59 <@AB> the skin will be the default and the ABS skin 00:05:10 i didn't need help setting it up, i just read the readme and did what it said 00:05:11 <@AB> you will be free to create your own skins no matter what we use 00:05:21 the report messsage thing on gamefaqs is a good moderation tool 00:05:30 makes the job easier and requires less moderators 00:05:34 Shut up already about gamefaqs 00:05:38 We don't need such a great transition, Dr. 00:05:45 You have no idea how much the LUEsers abused that shit, do you 00:05:48 "Great" by that I mean large in transition. 00:05:49 We need to change everything, obviously. 00:06:36 Kaws thats why LUE is for morons who dont understand what gamefaqs stands for 00:06:40 i know, wtf? the old system worked fine. 00:06:46 I don't see why we can't just keep most of the things the way they were before 00:06:49 It worked fine. 00:06:51 Ditto. 00:06:55 Yeah 00:06:59 I'm with Rmuser 00:06:59 It can be the same, except with many less post. 00:07:01 :) 00:07:03 posts* 00:07:06 If it ain't broke, don't fix it. 00:07:07 could we at least restrict the number of members that can join per day? 00:07:21 DrShmoo: We can prune zero-post members every so often. 00:07:24 <@AB> it did break 00:07:28 looking it up, it seems like everyone has nothing but problems with phpbb :/ 00:07:28 Considering the reflood. 00:07:29 I'm not sure that's possible. 00:07:33 AB but you don't know why. 00:07:37 and have a karma like system as in the more days you post the more options you get? 00:07:40 AB: Was there an exploit in invision or something? 00:07:48 Karma is bullshit. 00:07:56 DrShmoo, this isn't GameFAQs. 00:07:56 Let's just have a good ol' message board. 00:07:57 <@AB> not in a llong time 00:07:58 Karma works 00:08:00 Stop pretending it is. 00:08:03 yeah 00:08:04 Karma does not work 00:08:07 Go back to gamefags 00:08:08 all you need is post topic, post reply 00:08:11 Shut the fuck up about gamefaqs 00:08:12 DrShmoo, you're full of bad ideas. 00:08:13 GAMEFAGS LOL 00:08:19 .... 00:08:22 And Odin, youre just useless. 00:08:23 EASY there. 00:08:24 Heard of LUE? They are proof that none of that shit works 00:08:25 <@AB> fine, invision it is 00:08:26 they are just suggestions 00:08:26 <@AB> rmuser 00:08:29 cool 00:08:30 Guys. Stop. 00:08:31 <@AB> do me a favour 00:08:31 ive been watching the forums for ever 00:08:35 ok 00:08:40 <@AB> go to invision's community fprums 00:08:40 the nooby boom, april fools 2004 00:08:53 <@AB> and get the .php files that need replacement 00:08:57 okay, will do 00:09:02 i'll bet deathrose is responsible. shes had it in for us.... 00:09:06 <@AB> like login.php 00:09:10 Hey AB, can I be root admin this time 00:09:12 <@AB> and all the new ones 00:09:21 <@AB> no one but I is root admin for secuurity reasons 00:09:27 yeah 00:09:31 jesus bloodsucking christ. we dont have a forum yet. worry about modship later 00:09:34 It was your turn last time >:( 00:09:47 You can trust the crazy Hawaiian. 00:09:52 I'm only kidding, TastyPedo 00:10:03 >:o 00:10:08 thats my serious face 00:10:10 Way to emote. 00:10:13 modship should be determined by behavior and activity on forums in individual members 00:10:19 <@AB> someone may have hired someone to hack the server 00:10:22 kind of how it was before, right? 00:10:23 You seriously look determined on sucking cock 00:10:35 What the fuck, who would want to hack this shit 00:10:36 and... 00:10:37 ? 00:10:41 Hahahaha 00:10:50 it was Tolak. 00:10:50 Why would anyone want to hack ABSForums? 00:10:50 who the hell would hire someone to hack a server 00:10:53 Except... 00:10:55 EBAUM!! 00:10:56 Hey, I'm still transfixed on YewnEEk. 00:10:59 everything just had to get deleted. there no way to tell :-/ 00:10:59 So whatev. 00:11:01 Me too. 00:11:03 IT ALL PEICES TOGETHER!!1 00:11:07 yewneek did it in a drunken rage 00:11:11 i say it was fredrykphox 00:11:14 Chasch, you and I should investigate YewnEEK. 00:11:25 yewneek couldnt hack his way out of a fucking swimming pool of guinness. 00:11:29 Define "investigate." This isn't exactly Internet Detective work. 00:11:31 Or is it. 00:11:36 I don't think yewnEEk knows when to stop drinking let alone hack 00:11:39 i dont think fredryk is ever sober enough to do anything but work his video camera 00:11:40 LAWL 00:11:45 He had a following, though. 00:11:51 I THINK THE INTERNET IS A GOOD PLACE FOR CONSPIRACY THEORIES 00:11:58 I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 00:11:59 I'm saying that I wouldn't put it past YewnEEK to hire someone to hack the forums. 00:11:59 JSKI DID IT 00:12:14 OH HELL, DISCOVERED! 00:12:15 I will do some detective work. 00:12:15 It's not as if our decisions are deigned with great knowledge anyways. I just want to see how the PHP stacks up for now. 00:12:19 TWAS PAPA J! 00:12:23 its like a fucking soap opera 00:12:25 I believe that 00:12:31 i'd believe it was papa j 00:12:36 dun dun dunnnn 00:12:37 especially since i wouldn't stop fucking with dove. 00:12:39 E-DRAMA LOL 00:12:39 Papa J had it all and got it served 00:12:45 haha it was Mr.Twisted 00:12:53 holy shit 00:12:55 Papa J, in a fit of rage after it was revieled that he has been cheating on Dove, crashed the forums to get rid of the evidense 00:12:57 it was worik_brown! 00:13:00 revealed... 00:13:00 papa j 00:13:01 NO 00:13:02 now that dawg there 00:13:06 he knows where to get the internet ass 00:13:09 ence 00:13:11 worik_brown would want Emptv. 00:13:13 AB: http://www.absforums.net/secupdates.zip 00:13:13 Fuck, I suck today 00:13:14 So no. 00:13:21 * Quits: Musophobic (Musophobic@AEBC3E1C.F11FF778.EE07367B.IP) (Ping timeout) 00:13:21 :( 00:13:22 It was definatly Papa J 00:13:26 No 00:13:26 http://www.fatelords.com/player-yewneek.shtml 00:13:27 Gasp 00:13:41 It was EBaum 00:13:42 Exhibit A. 00:13:44 It has to be 00:13:56 <@AB> ty 00:13:58 nah 00:14:04 ThrowThisAway, your case is empty. 00:14:07 AB, will your host be able to forward any log information to you in the meantime? 00:14:08 Its not like they were fighting for users 00:14:09 Or have they? 00:14:10 And therefore CLOSED. 00:14:12 Doesn't burstnet keep logs and etc? 00:14:17 MisterBojangles, shut up please. 00:14:19 i dont want to be a mod, but i want to be on the jury for the "forum hacker witch hunt" 00:14:30 Witch hunts fucking suck. 00:14:32 Me too. 00:14:35 AB between college and social life, when do you expect we will once again have a forum 00:14:42 Oh. Yay. Salem Trials. :| 00:14:52 * Joins: Musophobic (Musophobic@AEBC3E1C.F11FF778.EE07367B.IP) 00:14:55 <@AB> this weekend 00:15:02 <@AB> I will install it tonight 00:15:13 All right then. 00:15:14 It's sunday. 00:15:19 Witch hunts fucking suck. you're burned first 00:15:24 AB can you email me when they are up please? 00:15:33 Dr.Shmoo@gmail.com 00:15:43 Why? 00:15:45 if you could take the time to id be most happy 00:15:45 if you are interested in using a replacement forum you may use mine until the abs one is back up 00:15:48 i am generous like that 00:15:54 Haha, the server will probably crash the second it comes up from 10000 people trying to use it. 00:15:55 Can't you check absforums.com yourself? 00:16:07 * Joins: Cubehead (~Craptasti@D901F6F5.87600AAE.5C33CC9A.IP) 00:16:10 I know. 00:16:11 i dont feel like refreshing 100000000000000000000000000 times 00:16:12 Imagine the flood. 00:16:18 yo 00:16:22 hey cube 00:16:27 did you hear the news? 00:16:28 hey cubies 00:16:30 what? 00:16:33 You know people are going to try to use each other's names the second the forums reopens. 00:16:37 the dal went up 3 points 00:16:40 yeah 00:16:43 ??????????? 00:16:43 and i want my name 00:16:44 Registration should be closed at first. 00:16:48 Yeah, I call dibs on Koz 00:16:48 Yes. 00:16:49 I want mine too. 00:16:50 beacuse no one is a shmoo like Dr. Shmoo 00:16:51 Until a month after the server starts to host absforums again, the forums will be accessable to only the people in this room. 00:16:54 SECOND MEMBER OKAY 00:17:02 oh jesus 00:17:10 rmuser: no saved member lists? 00:17:14 AB take note of what Odin said! 00:17:14 It would be fun to have a low member number... and a zero postcount. :( 00:17:15 You know, we should only have mods in here 00:17:18 from the last 3 months or whatever? 00:17:20 that makes sense 00:17:25 jski: AB said he had an old backup 00:17:27 God forbid your e-dick went down. 00:17:28 haha. 00:17:36 my edick wasnt that big 00:17:41 liar! 00:17:44 Shhh. 00:17:45 I know 00:17:47 I think Koz is right. 00:17:49 I'm an awful liar 00:17:59 Wait, can you transfer all the member information besides posts from the 3 month thing? 00:18:14 Just who the members are, passwords, etc 00:18:18 yeah, that's what i was thinking. 00:18:38 well even so. wouldnt ab have the power to change the names anyway? 00:18:42 is there a forum waiting to be restructured or what? 00:18:54 ... Your point TastyBabySoup? 00:18:54 wb Cubehead. 00:18:56 what's going on regarding the "slate" 00:19:03 quit bitching about not getting your names back 00:19:04 that was cleaned 00:19:09 TBS: fuck you 00:19:10 You're right 00:19:27 We should just make it ABs responsibility to get everyones name to the rightful person 00:19:28 * Quits: KyleMKP (~kyle@lcirc-EAC7EDD7.oasis.mediatti.net) (Client exited) 00:19:30 Restart. PHP included. Uploaded tonight, should be clarified by end of weekend. 00:19:31 Fuck the easy way 00:19:32 And no one read my idea. 00:19:33 :( 00:19:35 Until a month after the server starts to host absforums again, the forums will be accessable to only the people in this room. 00:19:35 That's the short of it. 00:19:37 Let's give AB a super hard job 00:19:42 Good idea TastyBabySoup 00:19:44 its only going to be the people who know eachother taking the names 00:19:45 Long of it, who knows. 00:20:04 THINK OF HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW EACH OTHER ON THE FORUMS! 00:20:14 TBS, we can't do that. 00:20:17 It's impractical. 00:20:24 And - hey - retarded. 00:20:33 If I was that kind of guy, AND I AM, I would take your name 00:20:53 I like my old name 00:20:57 unfortunately 00:21:05 AB is the only one with handle security here 00:21:06 were the old userlists's IP addresses saved? 00:21:32 ah shit i just missed a whole lot 00:21:37 so if user nicks don't match IP addresses, they need some kind of confirmation check before they can be allowed to reregister new nicks? 00:21:37 oh no 00:21:49 thats a lot of work jski 00:21:59 koz: then stop complaining about it if its no ones going to do anything about it 00:22:00 well, it's easier than having to fix accounts later isn't it? 00:22:09 I'd imagine so 00:22:09 For 30,000+ members? 00:22:16 Well, practically, much less. 00:22:17 Chaschmaliph: just active ones. 00:22:24 How about this 00:22:25 Corrected. 00:22:29 ;) 00:22:29 You fuck, I just said how to take care of that problem 00:22:36 and you said stop complaining 00:22:36 You can't post until you get 25 posts. 00:22:47 Odin: leave. 00:22:49 Odin. 00:22:55